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Afghan yea votes

Here is a quick list I've put together of the Members that either voted in favour of the Conservative party motion to extend the Afghan mission, abstained, or were absent. The Hansard record does not record abstainees. Please forgive the formatting, I'm still new to the HTML gig.

(I note with some sadness that Nova Scotian MPs largely backed the motion. The two NDP Members voted against, but all six Liberals were with the government and two of the three Conservatives voted for the motion, with one abstainee.)

Liberals that either voted for, abstained, or were not present for the vote:

Bagnell, Larry Yukon YK Yes
Brison, Scott Kings—Hants NS Yes
Cullen, Roy Etobicoke North ON Yes
Cuzner, Rodger Cape Breton—Canso NS Yes
Easter, Wayne Malpeque PE Yes
Eyking, Mark Sydney—Victoria NS Yes
Folco, Raymonde Laval—Les Îles PQ Yes
Graham, Bill Toronto Centre ON Yes
Guarnieri, Albina Mississauga East—Cooksville ON Yes
Ignatieff, Michael Etobicoke—Lakeshore ON Yes
Lee, Derek Scarborough—Rouge River ON Yes
Maloney, John Welland ON Yes
McGuire, Joe Egmont PE Yes
McKay, John Scarborough—Guildwood ON Yes
Peterson, Jim Willowdale ON Yes
Redman, Karen Kitchener Centre ON Yes
Regan, Geoff Halifax West NS Yes
Rota, Anthony Nipissing—Timiskaming ON Yes
Savage, Michael Dartmouth—Cole Harbour NS Yes
Simms, Scott Bonavista—Gander—Grand Falls—Windsor NL Yes
Thibault, Robert West Nova NS Yes
Tonks, Alan York South—Weston ON Yes
Wappel, Tom Scarborough Southwest ON Yes
Zed, Paul Saint John NB Yes
Bonin, Raymond Nickel Belt ON
Cannis, John Scarborough Centre ON
Chan, Raymond Richmond BC
Cotler, Irwin Mount Royal PQ
Godfrey, John Don Valley West ON
Goodale, Ralph Wascana SK
Hubbard, Charles Miramichi NB
Karygiannis, Jim Scarborough—Agincourt ON
Martin, Paul LaSalle—Émard PQ
Milliken, Peter Kingston and the Islands ON
Murphy, Brian Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe NB
Murphy, Shawn Charlottetown PE
Robillard, Lucienne Westmount—Ville-Marie PQ
Wilfert, Bryon Richmond Hill ON

The entire Conservative party voted in favour of the motion, with one abstainer (or absent):

Abbott, Jim Kootenay—Columbia BC Yes
Ablonczy, Diane Calgary—Nose Hill AB Yes
Albrecht, Harold Kitchener—Conestoga ON Yes
Allen, Mike Tobique—Mactaquac NB Yes
Allison, Dean Niagara West—Glanbrook ON Yes
Ambrose, Rona Edmonton—Spruce Grove AB Yes
Anders, Rob Calgary West AB Yes
Anderson, David Cypress Hills—Grasslands SK Yes
Baird, John Ottawa West—Nepean ON Yes
Batters, Dave Palliser SK Yes
Benoit, Leon Vegreville—Wainwright AB Yes
Bernier, Maxime Beauce PQ Yes
Bezan, James Selkirk—Interlake MN Yes
Blackburn, Jean-Pierre Jonquière—Alma PQ Yes
Blaney, Steven Lévis—Bellechasse PQ Yes
Boucher, Sylvie Beauport—Limoilou PQ Yes
Breitkreuz, Garry Yorkton—Melville SK Yes
Brown, Gord Leeds—Grenville ON Yes
Brown, Patrick Barrie ON Yes
Bruinooge, Rod Winnipeg South MN Yes
Calkins, Blaine Wetaskiwin AB Yes
Cannan, Ron Kelowna—Lake Country BC Yes
Cannon, Lawrence Pontiac PQ Yes
Carrie, Colin Oshawa ON Yes
Casson, Rick Lethbridge AB Yes
Chong, Michael Wellington—Halton Hills ON Yes
Clement, Tony Parry Sound—Muskoka ON Yes
Cummins, John Delta—Richmond East BC Yes
Davidson, Patricia Sarnia—Lambton ON Yes
Day, Stockwell Okanagan—Coquihalla BC Yes
Del Mastro, Dean Peterborough ON Yes
Devolin, Barry Haliburton—Kawartha Lakes—Brock ON Yes
Doyle, Norman St. John's East NL Yes
Dykstra, Rick St. Catharines ON Yes
Emerson, David Vancouver Kingsway BC Yes
Epp, Ken Edmonton—Sherwood Park AB Yes
Fast, Ed Abbotsford BC Yes
Finley, Diane Haldimand—Norfolk ON Yes
Fitzpatrick, Brian Prince Albert SK Yes
Flaherty, Jim Whitby—Oshawa ON Yes
Fletcher, Steven Charleswood—St. James—Assiniboia MN Yes
Galipeau, Royal Ottawa—Orléans ON Yes
Gallant, Cheryl Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke ON Yes
Goldring, Peter Edmonton East AB Yes
Goodyear, Gary Cambridge ON Yes
Gourde, Jacques Lotbinière—Chutes-de-la-Chaudière PQ Yes
Grewal, Nina Fleetwood—Port Kells BC Yes
Guergis, Helena Simcoe—Grey ON Yes
Hanger, Art Calgary Northeast AB Yes
Harper, Stephen Calgary Southwest AB Yes
Harris, Richard Cariboo—Prince George BC Yes
Harvey, Luc Louis-Hébert PQ Yes
Hawn, Laurie Edmonton Centre AB Yes
Hearn, Loyola St. John's South—Mount Pearl NL Yes
Hiebert, Russ South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale BC Yes
Hill, Jay Prince George—Peace River BC Yes
Hinton, Betty Kamloops—Thompson—Cariboo BC Yes
Jaffer, Rahim Edmonton—Strathcona AB Yes
Jean, Brian Fort McMurray—Athabasca AB Yes
Kamp, Randy Pitt Meadows—Maple Ridge—Mission BC Yes
Keddy, Gerald South Shore—St. Margaret's NS Yes
Kenney, Jason Calgary Southeast AB Yes
Komarnicki, Ed Souris—Moose Mountain SK Yes
Kramp, Daryl Prince Edward—Hastings ON Yes
Lake, Mike Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont AB Yes
Lauzon, Guy Stormont—Dundas—South Glengarry ON Yes
Lemieux, Pierre Glengarry—Prescott—Russell ON Yes
Lukiwski, Tom Regina—Lumsden—Lake Centre SK Yes
Lunn, Gary Saanich—Gulf Islands BC Yes
Lunney, James Nanaimo—Alberni BC Yes
MacKay, Peter Central Nova NS Yes
MacKenzie, Dave Oxford ON Yes
Manning, Fabian Avalon NL Yes
Mark, Inky Dauphin—Swan River—Marquette MN Yes
Mayes, Colin Okanagan—Shuswap BC Yes
Menzies, Ted Macleod AB Yes
Merrifield, Rob Yellowhead AB Yes
Miller, Larry Bruce—Grey—Owen Sound ON Yes
Mills, Bob Red Deer AB Yes
Moore, James Port Moody—Westwood—Port Coquitlam BC Yes
Moore, Rob Fundy Royal NB Yes
Nicholson, Rob Niagara Falls ON Yes
Norlock, Rick Northumberland—Quinte West ON Yes
Obhrai, Deepak Calgary East AB Yes
O'Connor, Gordon Carleton—Mississippi Mills ON Yes
Oda, Bev Durham ON Yes
Pallister, Brian Portage—Lisgar MN Yes
Paradis, Christian Mégantic—L'Érable PQ Yes
Petit, Daniel Charlesbourg—Haute-Saint-Charles PQ Yes
Poilievre, Pierre Nepean—Carleton ON Yes
Prentice, Jim Calgary Centre-North AB Yes
Preston, Joe Elgin—Middlesex—London ON Yes
Rajotte, James Edmonton—Leduc AB Yes
Reid, Scott Lanark—Frontenac—Lennox and Addington ON Yes
Richardson, Lee Calgary Centre AB Yes
Ritz, Gerry Battlefords—Lloydminster SK Yes
Scheer, Andrew Regina—Qu'Appelle SK Yes
Schellenberger, Gary Perth—Wellington ON Yes
Shipley, Bev Lambton—Kent—Middlesex ON Yes
Skelton, Carol Saskatoon—Rosetown—Biggar SK Yes
Smith, Joy Kildonan—St. Paul MN Yes
Solberg, Monte Medicine Hat AB Yes
Sorenson, Kevin Crowfoot AB Yes
Stanton, Bruce Simcoe North ON Yes
Storseth, Brian Westlock—St. Paul AB Yes
Strahl, Chuck Chilliwack—Fraser Canyon BC Yes
Sweet, David Ancaster—Dundas—Flamborough—Westdale ON Yes
Thompson, Greg New Brunswick Southwest NB Yes
Thompson, Myron Wild Rose AB Yes
Tilson, David Dufferin—Caledon ON Yes
Toews, Vic Provencher MN Yes
Trost, Bradley Saskatoon—Humboldt SK Yes
Turner, Garth Halton ON Yes
Tweed, Merv Brandon—Souris MN Yes
Van Kesteren, Dave Chatham-Kent—Essex ON Yes
Van Loan, Peter York—Simcoe ON Yes
Vellacott, Maurice Saskatoon—Wanuskewin SK Yes
Verner, Josée Louis-Saint-Laurent PQ Yes
Wallace, Mike Burlington ON Yes
Warawa, Mark Langley BC Yes
Warkentin, Chris Peace River AB Yes
Watson, Jeff Essex ON Yes
Williams, John Edmonton—St. Albert AB Yes
Yelich, Lynne Blackstrap SK Yes
Casey, Bill Cumberland—Colchester—Musquodoboit Valley NS

The Bloc and NDP voted en masse against the motion. One member of the BQ abstained or was absent:

Bachand, Claude Saint-Jean PQ

The sole Independent member voted in favour of the motion:

Arthur, André Portneuf—Jacques-Cartier Québec Yes

I've already commented on why I support our presence in Afghanistan so I won't bother going into it again. I will say that I'm angered by Harpers statements to the effect that he's extending the mission there regardless of the vote's outcome. Every thing about this guy lately is showing us a control freak who can be counted on to take his ball and go home if his will is thwarted. There's nothing surprising about this vote but that Harper held it at all. It was a cheap and tawdry way to divide the house in the eyes of Canadian citizens into "good vs bad" based on support for the military. Support that I know from experience will disappear from the conservative camp the moment that they decide that it's expedient. Don't believe me? Look up the Mulroney governments record on military spending. I believe that the Afghanistan mission is a good thing to do. i am more and more convinced that Harper wants us there for the wrong reasons. Ones he'd rather were kept quiet.

Would you care to comment on the fact that this is the first time in 60 years that the deployment of troops overseas has been taken to the house of commons for a vote?

In fact, when the Liberals made these deployments ONLY members of the Privy council were even allowed to have any details whatsoever...and even then the Privy council had no vote - The decision was made solely by Chretien or Martin.

Bodies of fallen soldiers were brought home at times in the middle of the night from Bosnia.

Our 35 or more "Loaned" Canadian soldiers that Chretien sent to Iraq during the shcok and awe were sworn to never speak about their precense there because "the Canadian public did not WANT OUR troops in Iraq. So Cretien sent them anyways, lied about it, covered it up and denied these brave soldiers any recognition for their bravery.

Would you endorse a return to the PM having full say-no vote, no debate and no details to the MPs or Canadians? That right still exists -it is PM Harper who wants to open up the democratic process.

Maybe that is just not workable.


I'm not sure if you're asking me or Doug, so I'll chime in and hope that Doug does in turn.

I started this little blog just before the election that brought Stephen Harper to power, and somewhere back there one of the things I wrote was that I thought one of the good things that could come from a Conservative government would be an opening up of the powers of the PMO; he said all of the right things when he talked about accountability.

It hasn't really worked out so well in my eyes. Most of what I've seen so far points to even further agglomeration of power in the already too-powerful PMO. I realize that everything he does is underpinned by the fact that any minority government is in a pre-election state, but still...

Anyway, that was prologue. I have in these pages already stated that I wanted important decisions like going to war to go through Parliament, and not just whenever a PM deigned to have a vote, but every single time, enshrined in some law somewhere. I give the Liberals no credit for taking us into this war without going to Parliament.

By holding the vote, I aknowledged that a potentially powerful precedent was being set. However by having only a few hours to discuss such a huge topic, not to mention stating in Parliament that he was going to ignore the result if he didn't agree with it, the vote itself is purely symbolic.

I'm not sure how the repatriation of remains bears on the issue and won't comment on that here, as I've done it elsewhere in these pages.

I would not endorse a return to the PM having full control over these issues, but I have a hard time seeing that we've actually made a real step away from that. If democracy isn't workable, we're in trouble.

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