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Turd sandwich or giant douche?

In the four years since the (UN) inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001.

It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security.

Now this much is undisputed. The open questions are: what should we do about it? How, when, and with whom?

And who do we owe these words of wisdom to? George W? Nope. Colin Powell? Nope. They come from the Democratic leadership candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton.

And here's me thinking democracy was about selecting from options.

You have options - Republican, or Republican Lite...


I have to agree with Flash. But, isn't this deja vu? I thought we did this one already.... Kev, Kev, Kev.... The vast majority of our political leaders (here in the Euro-American western world, at least)come from the priviledged elite; and those that aren't are aspirants to that elite. You didn't actually think it was all about choices for the rest of us - the great huddled and unwashed masses? Did you? Its all about the status quo. The illusion of democracy keeps the herd from getting ansty, stampeding and trampling the blowflies and leeches that are busy sucking our life's blood. (please note: dripping sarcasm and patronizing tone for humourous purposes only. I know you are actually in touch, hell surgically fused, to your inner cynic Kevvy.) ;o)

And here's what a few more notable progressives had to say . . . including tha amazing Algoar . . .

"Iraq is a long way from Ohio, but what happens in there matters a great deal here. For the risk of the leaders of a rogue state such as Iraq to use nuclear, biological, or chemical weapons againstus or our allies is the greatest threat we face. And, it is a threat we must and will stand firm."
Madeline Albright, 2/18, 1998
"He (Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of WMD and some day, some how, I am certain he will use that arsenal again as he has ten times since 1983."
Sandy Berger, 2/18/1998
"I can support the president. I can support an action against Saddam Hussein because it's in the long term interest of our national security."
Hillary Clinton, 9/15/2002
"We know Saddam continues to gain access to additional capability including nuclear capability. There is a real debate to the matter of how far off that is, whether it's a matter of years or a matter of less than that. So there's much we don't know."
Joe Biden, 11/4/2002
"Saddam Hussein in effect has thumbed his nose at the world community and I think the president has approached this in the right fashion."
Harry Reid, 9/18/2002
"There's no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat... Yes, he has chemical and biological weapons. He's had those for a long time. But the United States right now is on a very much different defensive posture than we were before September 11th of 2001... He is, as far as we know, actively pursuing nuclear capabilities, though he doesn't have nuclear warheads yet. If he were to acquire nuclear weapons, I think our friends in the region would face greatly increased risks as would we." -- Wesley Clark on September 26, 2002
"What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq represents with the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad's regime did use such weapons in the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over the past four years, in the absence of international inspectors, this country has continued armament programs." -- Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002
"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." -- Bill Clinton in 1998
"What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq represents with the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad's regime did use such weapons in the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over the past four years, in the absence of international inspectors, this country has continued armament programs." -- Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002
Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them against his own people." -- Tom Daschle in 1998
"Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal." -- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002
"The debate over Iraq is not about politics. It is about national security. It should be clear that our national security requires Congress to send a clear message to Iraq and the world: America is united in its determination to eliminate forever the threat of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction." -- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002
"Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, 2002

Interesting selection, NDIP. I would suggest that in that lot there are very few "progressives", however. Unless, of course, you're using the word in the same way they use it in the US -> progressive == Democrat.

There is very little progressive in the Democratic lot as far as I can see. As briguy has pointed out elsewhere, the only true progressive at the top end, Dennis Kucinich, is too short to be president. Weird and sad, but probably true.

For what it's worth, what saddens and angers me most about the cluster of "leaders" coming to the fore in the Democratic party is not that they said stuff like NDIP and I point out, but that they hide from the statements, or write them off as "mistakes" and then advocate a continuation of the same debacle in Iraq. Surely these fools have learned no lessons until they stop following Bush's "surge" and use whatever weapons they have available to bring the war to an end.

Yes, stop funding the goddamned war. Saying "oops, I made a mistake" means nothing if you don't have the balls to correct it, too.

Whooee! I reckon it's like sum folks say -- the Merkan Democrats is 'bout as pergressive as the Canajun Conservatives. Harpoon was all fer war an' bad-mouthin' his own country fer stayin' outta the Merkans' idiocy.

Things change an' that can make smart fellers an' gals change their minds instead o' stayin' the course. Anybuddy The messes in EyeRack an' Afstan is on accounta the Merkans took their eye off the ball when they started lookin' at Saddam.

They're about t' take their stoopid eye offa the ball again with Iran. They play up the threat these tinpot numbnuts sabre-rattlers pose jest so's the Merkan publick can run 'round willy-nilly in fear an' not notice their country turnin' inta a dictatorship o' Bushes an' Clintons.


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